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because you want to know what these guys were like and thank you for your service. >> thank you. >> you're a great man to do this. it's called "the five presidents." join us tomorrow night. chris hayes is on right now. tonight on all in. >> i suspend my campaign today. >> we are suspending our campaign. >> and then there was one. >> we're going to win big league, believe me. >> but will the gop unite behind the most disliked nominee in history. >> there's some people that i almost don't want their endorsement, republicans. >> i'm joined by one prominent conservative who now says i'm with her. then clinton's problem as she looks towards the general. >> i've got some bad news for her. >> plus, the great big lie that doomed ted cruz's campaign. >> okay lying ted. >> and total pundit fail. i'll speak with a columnist who vowed to eat his words if trump one the primary when all in
starts right now. good evening. i'm chris hayes and tonight it is all over. literally in one sense perhaps melt forricly in another. after starting with a crowded field of 17 candidates including current and former governors hailed as the best group of gop presidential hopefuls in a generation at least the republican party has chosen its nominee for the office of president of the united states. reality star who has been married three times filed for four chapter 11 bankruptcies, declines to denounce the kkk and first launched his political career by promoting a conspiracy theory that the nation's first black president was a secret kenyan. a man who as some of the most prominent members of the party have said shows almost no interest in or qualifications
for addressing the high stake policy questions. donald trump is now the presumptive nominee of one of this country's two major political parties, an outcome completely and entirely without historical precedent. today john kasich officially quit the race. >> i have always said that the lord has a purpose for me as he has for everyone and as i suspend my campaign today i have renewed faith deeper faith that the lord will show me the way forward. >> kasich who only won his home state of ohio has trailed in fourth place behind marco rubio who dropped out two months ago. after ted cruz suspended his campaign yesterday following a crushing defeat in indiana. kasich's withdrawal was practically a formality and now
begins the process of turning donald trump into the republican's official standard beerer with a full general election campaign machinery behind him. in a phone interview this morning trump didn't sound too concerned about healing the wounds inflicted in the primaries. >> the party will come together. i don't think it's impeoriative that the entire party to come together. i don't want certain people. let them go their own way. >> trump said today he's going to start fundraising for the republican party as soon as next week. he says he's assembling a committee that will include ben carson to identify his decision of vice president. he's giving interviewers to "the new york times" about what he'll do in his first 100 days in office. in the next few weeks donald trump will start receiving classified intelligence briefings. let that sink in for a moment.
now that trump is taking the helm many of his. bobby jindal calling him a carnival act now plans to support him. george w. bush who has been sounding the trump alarm since last summer tweeted last night there's a lot about donald trump i don't like but i'll vote for trump over hillary any day. now the club for growth that spent millions trying to stop trump and warned republicans that backing trump could cost them the group support, now they're giving conservatives a pass for jumping on the band wagon. for the sake of party unity a lot of republicans tend to forget all that's been said and
done over the past year and beyond. unfortunately of them many of trump's greatest hits survive on tape. >> you are not allowed to be president if you are not born in this country. he may not have been born in this country. three weeks ago i thought he was born in this country and now i have doubts. when mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs and crime and they're rapists and some i assume there was good people. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of wherever. knock the crap out of him. i promise you i will pay for the legal fees. i don't know anything about david duke. i don't know anything about what you're talking about with white supremacy. >> what is white supremacy. statements like those cut into 30 second ads are now hanging over the heads of republicans running for office. a spokesperson for a senator
running reelection in new hampshire says she plans to support the nominee later adding as a candidate herself she hasn't and isn't planning to endorse anyone in this cycle. a senator said in a radio interview said trump has his work cut out for him. >> if he's going to build the wall he keeps talking about, he's going to have to mend a lot of fences. he's going to have to stop with the personal insults. i have always supported the republican nominee for president and i would expect that i would do so here, but i do want to see what donald trump does from here on out. >> at least one of the most unsalvery aspects is not going away soon. today david duke celebrated trump's victory. >> even though trump is not explicitly talking about european americans he's talking about them.
i think that's jewish extremists have made a terribly crazy miss calculation because all they're really going to be doing by doing a never trump movement is exposing their alien, anti-american, anti-american majority position. >> i'm joined now by a former republican congressman from oklahoma. in the great war i guess between the -- i'm quoting david duke here the jewish extremists who have declared never trump and the folks who have anti-american values and don't priorityize the views of european americans, where do you stand, sir? >> i guess i'm one of those jewish extremists. i ink anybody who says that they're going to support donald trump after what they have seen of who he is, after they have
themselves criticized him for real reasons and now they say they're going to support him, it's indefensible and i think if they support him and if he wins they're just going to have a lot to answer for. >> what do you feel like you're watching happen? i got to imagine that some of these folks you know personally perhaps you worked with you understand the way that the praeshs of politics operate, people are part of a party and part of being in the party is supporting the nominee, are you surprised, disappointed are you not surprised? >> i'm a little surprised and i'm disappointed and i'm offended. i was a republican i am a republican i was a republican leader in congress, but i was always an american first. chris, this is about america. this is not about your party, it's not about your private club. it's about what's good for the united states. it's about sticking with our constitution. it's sticking with our values being not just a great country
but an exceptional country that has values that mean something, that cause people to come to this country not to try to where we turn around and try to keep them out of the country. we're turning our back and i'm very concerned about trump. i'm very concerned about the thousands of people who came to the rallies and cheered when he told lies and cheered when he said he was going to build walls to keep people out and he was going to keep entire religions out. >> the thing i've been pondering since last night is how ordinary will this election be and by that i mean i think we can say the primary has been not ordinary. it's been unprecedented in every way. the question is part of it is the behavior of the republican party. does the party act normal around donald trump. with are they going to act towards trump as they would have mccain or do we see major parts of the party withhold support.
>> i think a lot of people running for election to the house or the senate are probably going to be very, very busy with their own campaigns and they would love trump, but they just don't have time to help him, but i don't think that's going to be the case with all of them and i was really bothered when reince priebus says it's time for us to unite behind donald trump. no, it's not. it's time for us to unite behind what's best for america and if that means losing this presidential election so that the party doesn't lose its values and its reputation and credibility then you don't support donald trump. you say you're on your own. you won this by going against all the things that we believe in and good luck and if you don't win, we'll get somebody else next time. >> can i ask you if you're going to vote in the fall. >> i assume i'm going to vote. i usually vote.
>> and my sense is that you will vote for someone other than donald trump. >> i would not vote for donald trump if he were the only candidate running. there's no way. i have to live with myself. i have to look in the mirror. i have to explain to my family and to my children and grandchildren if i supported somebody like donald trump and i'm just not going to do that. >> all right. former congressman. great pleasure to have you tonight. thank you. >> thank you. joining me national correspondent and politics correspondent. molly you've been doing great reporting about how institutionally how the party ended up in this moment. for the folks, how unprecedented -- how new is the terrain that we have entered in the last 24 hours? >> it feels very new to everyone involved. i mean look i wasn't around in say 1964, but i talked to a lot of people who were and it doesn't feel like -- there's so
much rhetoric in politics, right? every single campaign someone's telling you if the opponent is elected the world is going to come to an end and it's easy to become numb to it. this isn't like that. you have people like mickey edwards feels towards donald trump, the problem is there isn't that bigger agenda and for people who thought that the republican party was a vessel for conservative ideas, it feels like that's gone out the window and what's the point anymore. >> joy, what's your reaction to this? there's something between -- i got to say i am stunned. i have really been -- working
through this about this having happened, because there's no precedent for it in recent memory and barry goldwater was a sitting u.s. senator. he was viewed as an extremist and disliked by his own party. you have to go back to 1940 to wendell wilkey of a person that's never sought nor held elected office. >> could get this far. do you have to go back to the 1960s, but you have to remember in 1964 when barry was nominated there were conservative republicans who said i cannot do this, that my principals matter more to me than my party. the great jackie robinson said no i will not do that. ed brook, the senator from massachusetts said i will not do that.
i think about the fact that that same year george wallace ran for president. by 1968 he was forced to find other pastures. they said you can run for president but you can't do it here. there's a certain point as which if you believe that this person is unfit for the office of president, that you say i will not aide and abet you in becoming that. this is the party that put sarah palin one heartbeat away from being president. >> i can't tell if we are actually seeing something that fundamentally alters, rips apart the republican party or whether everyone is going to say, well, all right i guess we're trumping. >> well, look, i don't think you can put this back in the bag. it's gotten out and it's got
claws and it's hungry and so there's a force that's been unleashed here that i think sarah palin tapped into as well in a smaller way, but there's a force of resentment and cultural identity politics that was not previously sort of activated in our politics. and sure there's a lot of liberal, a lot of people on the left saying republicans you didn't know your party was about resentment and racism and what have you, but there are a lot of republicans that really did not want that to be what their party is about and now it's what they see the nominee is about they have to accept it or tame the jaguar. >> or embrace it. there's a sense in which you can just say we are going to give it a go as the party of essentially
white identity resentment politics and that is what the new iteration of the party looks like and let's see if it works. >> the party should not be surprised that we're willing to take control of the house of representatives on the backs of calling the president of the united states a liar and worse and on the backs of palinism which if you go back and remember those rallies in 2008 were scarey and appalling. i don't see any evidence that the party has been willing to resist extremism if it meant it could get more party. this party hasn't stood up to this so it's not shocking that only movement conservatives want to preserve the movement. >> i think there are a lot of people when they looked out the great -- i've been going back and looking at tea party rallies, but there are also a
lot of people who are like this is about taxes and this is about obamacare and this is the national debt and this is the size of government and you covered that -- you covered that movement. we saw essentially what's happening at the senate level happening at at congressional level. candidate after candidate being knocked out and people that the electorate judged not ready to be part of elected office and at the same time you could tell yourself a story at that time that this was about whatever the text as opposed to the subtext was. >> i think that's what's been so disturbing and troubling to a lot of sincere conservatives about the rise of trump is this feeling that he has ripped the mask off of the tea party. this feeling that we did think the tea party was about smaller government and lower taxes. people like eric erikson who is a very sincere conservative and
does believe in those things and was a major force in the tea party and topling these encouple bents and now they're looking at these people who are trump people who are the same people and it wasn't about that at all and maybe these encouple bents are getting kicked out of a rage because of something different. >> we're going -- some people are placing bets on donald trump never getting this far, so it's time to collect. but first the rights of those burning their cards. i'll talk with a republican who is now for hillary.
president a guy who reads the national enquirer and thinks it's on the level, i'm with her. just how many never trumps will become i'm with her. here's a sampling. hillary is preferable to trump just like ma larea is preferable to ebola. under no circumstances former presidents george h.w. bush and george w. bush have no plans to endorse anyone which means failing to endorse their own party's nominee. images like this republicans burning their gop registration cards. that's a sampling. some republicans may choose a third-party or write in candidate options which would presume ably help clinton. there are republicans that would
support a candidate they can't stand, donald trump, but red state editor ben howe who has anguished over the candidacy last night joined a new crew tweeting i'm with her. ben, it's great to have you. you wrote a great thing about the ferguson report that i thought was fantastic and respected tremendously and it's good to have you back. i like what you wrote and what you have been writing so first i want to get your reaction to what's unfolding. >> it's really sad and it's something that i didn't expect. last june when he first announced i said this is a clown who is running towards a circus and we need to not treat him seriously, we need to exert some kind of moral standard on the people we nominate and i was shocked at how many pundits and radio hosts were treating him like a viable candidate and i
think that assisted him in getting attention and what you were talking about in the last segment assisted as well. there were a lot of elements in the tea party that had been quiet and they start of sprung up and started taking over in social media and online with talks about white genocide and all kinds of stuff i hadn't experienced before. it took me a while to comprehend what was happening. once i get a fix on what was happening, it was too late. >> you wrote this piece about -- you said i lied to myself for years about who my allies were and no more. i kept quiet about these allies. people i thought i agreed with 70% of the time but not when the other 30% is inducing paranoia. the republican party is elevated
which is something i'm watching happen characters like alex jones, a conspiracy theoryist, a man who told george will he should put a resolve in his mouth and pull the trigger, he is a significant portion in some ways of what this new coalition is. >> matt druj first started aligning himself with alex jones and we were all kind of struck by this. this was after andrew died and we all thought this is a weird alliance that's taking place when trump capitalized on it a lot of us knew we were in dangerous territory, but i don't think even with all of that happening we didn't think that a majority or even a plurality of the republican base would elevate this guy to the nomination. up until last night i actually believed there was still a shot that he could be stopped. i really thought more of our
party than this. >> for you how much -- there's sort of two categories i feel like for the never trump folks, there's a critique of his temperament and disposition, people that think he's essentially a liar and lacks judgment and then there's this critique which is this guy isn't a true conservative and doesn't oppose abortion or he doesn't want to restrain government. what is it for you. >> the component is tied into the fact that i think he's a pathological social owe path. i don't think he holds any believes. i think that he holds rallies and whatever he needs to say at that rally is whatever he needs to say. when you watched when he talked about mccain he said he's not a war hero, he's a war hero because he got captured and i like people that don't get captured and five seconds later he's backtracking on what he said and pretending he always said it that way.
he lies immediately. the social owe pathic part of him i think believes himself. he says these lies and he believes them. it's frightening and that's one of the reasons that as much as hillary clinton doesn't represent anything that i believe, as much as she's exactly the opposite of what i've been looking for in a presidential candidate, i have to believe that she -- even if she just represented the status quo would be better than having a maniac in the oval office. >> appreciate it. still to come the precarious line hillary clinton is trying to walk, running two campaigns at once. what her strategy looks like over the next couple of weeks. [ soft music ]
with xfinity x1. to contain the sheer magnitude now that trump is the presumptive gop nominee. today he admitted we got the republican race wrong. we reached the moment when trump's candidacy went from boom to bust. now he's breaking down what i got wrong about donald trump writing about assumptions, missed interpretations of data and missed connections all along the way. ben write vowed to eat a bag of rusty nails. the washington post put trump coverage in the entertainment section and it was tweeted that
upsets in the history of the united states. >> senator bernie sanders made two things clear last night. one he isn't going anywhere and two his path to nomination is indeed narrow. in fact, the irony here is that after last night's of victory sanders odds of securing the nomination got worse. sanders must now win 66%, two-thirds of all remaining pledged delegates which is up from the 65% it was before his victory last night. and while it's hard to see how sanders will be successful, it creates a predicament for hillary clinton. she finding herself in a primary she is almost certain to win while the republican party has entered the general election with the nominee set to come after her with everything they've got. the clinton campaign is laying ground to november and careful not to alienate sanders. other fas it's of her general
election strategy are being waged in plain view like this video her campaign released today. >> i am a unifier. >> he's a con artist. >> a
phoney. >> donald is a bully. >> this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter. >> i don't remember. >> who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle. >> blood is coming out of her wherever. >> i bring people together. >> everybody loves me. >> he needs therapy. >> joining me the founder of correct the record a hillary clinton supporter. here we are. how much -- i guess what do the next six weeks look like. bernie sanders is not going
anywhere. he won indiana last night. it's pretty clear this far in there's a significant chunk of democrats, 45% around who really like the guy and are going to keep voting for him. >> i think the clinton campaign and secretary will have to walk and chew gum at the same time. she's in the primary and she'll have to keep an eye on that and she'll have to campaign in the remaining states, particularly in california. at the same time you're seeing a general election strategy start to unfold
and you're starting to see her in key swing states and some advertising against trump and this has to happen. the party needs to unite around hillary clinton now that trump is their nominee essentially and i think he's nomination represents such a potential national crisis if you got a president trump that this pivot is urgent. she has to start the campaign now. >> two things that struck me, one was the statement put out
last night, senior adviser of that campaign, about trump's nomination, which read in some ways not that different than what you would expect from any other candidate that would have been nominated. it was about what the republican party represents in some ways and then there's that video and that's the divide a little bit of what this looks like. do you run a campaign that says this guy is a republican and republicans are against paid sick leave and a women's right to choice or do you run a campaign that says this guy is a completely unique threat, here's what everyone in his party says about him. >> it's probably elements of both, but i would emphasize the latter. this is a unique circumstance. donald trump is a tie rant in the making and we've seen chapter and verse. you've had it on your show, but from fostering violence, attacks on freedom of the press and attacks for religious tests of immigrants.
that's a different nature so there is an element to this that isn't republican/democrat, liberal/conservative. and then you have these elements against raising the minimum wage and equal pay for women. >> the problem with that attack that's as of now in a week he may be for all of those things. >> i've been one who has not been sal vating against donald trump because of the slipperness. there's no public record of votes and i believe there's no core and that he can and will say anything. so you're absolutely right about that. >> clinton starts i think with an advantage if you're projecting forward in so far as the obama path to victory, there are more blue state electoral votes than there are red states that you started out with. she's polling ahead of him head to head. >> right. >> what are you most worried about?
>> look, i mean i guess once somebody gets a nomination of a major political party, there's a potential that they become president. the fact that he could become president is very worrysome on a whole range of things. we have to start the campaign against bigotry and an issue around his temperament and by no definition is he qualified to be president and i think you're going to hear from a lot of people along the way who were disadvantaged or screwed over if you will by donald trump just by taking him at his word. those will all be elements that will come into play. >> we saw part of that in the primary. the trump university trial may happen. >> there hasn't been a sustained effort against donald trump and i don't think he has a clue about what's coming. >> thank you. coming up there's a key moment yesterday that summed up why ted cruz's campaign was flawed from the start.
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where do you want to go here. >> who cares. let's try 24. >> who cares, let's try 24. in the world of 2016 fantasy draft picks you win some and lose one. josh following in the footsteps of the great joy ried ran out of the draft picks. it was not easy, but he took it in stride with grace and dignity. >> josh, your reaction. >> now i have sarah palin and ted cruz. i'm really nailing it. i said i was hoping for carly fiorina. i was joking but apparently i was taken seriously.
>> does his luck turn around with number 25? no, it doesn't. is he aware of that. >> tough to watch. very hard to reach. we reached out to josh for a comment. like so many of the candidates i have been a victim of a rigged system in which i was not allowed to choose draft candidates who were loyal to me. fortunately for josh he'll get help from one voter our draft commissioner who awarded josh 500 points for carly fiorina's brief vice pderun.head of joy rd and sam has 17,300 points and michael sanders has 18,700 points and in the lead with donald trump is mcintosh and 23,000 points.
now that donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee might i suggest another type of competition. i've been musing about it. we should do a fantasy draft of prominent conservatives for when they'll publicly come over to trump. if you had your eyes on them, they're already off the board. as we told you earlier flisher who compared trump to a car wreck seems to have a changed of heart. there's a lot about trump i don't like but i'm vote for him over hillary any day. he is going from trump skeptic to trump curious. the choice is between a fireman and a serial arsonist. i'm using my first round pick on the wall street editorial page and that was a good pick because
i'm going do something i haven't done for the entire campaign for those of you who have traveled with me, i'm going to tell you what i really think of donald trump. >> what's wrong with that sentence is what was wrong with the entire cruz campaign from the beginning just how cynical it was cruz the guy that's holding himself out at the last hope against donald trump spent the first six months of his campaign praising trump over and over again. >> i'm a big fan of donald trump. i like donald trump. he's a friend of mine. i like donald trump. he's bold. he's brash. he's bold. he's brash. i'm glad he's running.
i think donald trump is bringing a bold, brash voice to this presidential race. i've been proud to defend him for focusing on illegal immigration. i will continue to sing donald's praises personally. i commend donald trump. >> when ted cruz won't koezing up to donald trump he was advocating an agenda if trump wasn't in the race it was the most extreme of any agenda of any candidate. this is a man who campaigned on carpet bombing isis and on protecting little girls from transgender people in bathrooms. not only are many of ted cruz's policies radical, cruz as a candidate both on and off the campaign trail fell pretty flat, including his best attempt going viral, eating bacon cooked on the barrel of a gun. avoid getting side eye from mother by saying that she prays for you hours a day.
>> this has been a remarkable journ in i, but one of the things that gives me real strength is not a day goes by that my mom is not lifting me up in prayer. >> that's right. >> for hours at a time. >> hours? watch out for fake supporters while you're campaigning. >> senator cruz, can i shake your hand. too slow joe. >> and finally and perhaps most importantly watch the right cross when your wife is standing next to you on the podium on the way out of the race. good bye ted.
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researching recipes. >> we're going to crowd source this a bit. i'd call it haute type cousine. we're going to sit down in a restaurant next thursday. there's no reason why the newspaper should not go down easily. there may be led or heavy metals in the ink, but that's a small price to pay. >> what happened? what did you get wrong? >> well, i'd like to say i think i put too much faith in the
republican voters, but they didn't entirely let me down. trump never got a majority of them. the problem was nobody ever got a clean shot at trump except for maybe ted cruz, but that was hardly the ideal opponent. i like to think it wasn't the voters, it was the selfishness of the other candidates in the race but be that as i may i said i'd eat my column i've got 18 inches of wood pulp to consume and i'm to take my medicine. >> i was never on board with that, but the more compelling prediction was just the guy himself doesn't have the necessary discipline -- the necessary temperament to survive this, but that proved not to be true either. >> i didn't think -- not only did i not think he would win, i didn't think he was running for president. i thought he was trying to drum up publicity for himself.
what he was doing did not seem to to be a rational plan to become the president of the united states. i don't know he decided to blow up a profitable branding business which is now basically dead in order to lose very badly to hillary clinton in november. >> jonathan said something about the november election and one thing dana that i think we may see is a little bit of overcorrection, fighting the last battle, people feel kblexz what is your feeling about how you intro great the lessons into the primary and how you think about the general. >> i am so certain that trump is going to be a sure looser in november i would like to say i will eat this micro phone, but i have learned my lessons.
i'm not going to eat shoes or a hat or a crow, but i think you had it right in the first place and say we don't know the future. donald trump has surprised people before and maybe he can turn the electoral map on its head. what we know at this point is it appears from where we sit now that dog just ain't gonna hunt. >> jonathan part of this is about the impulsive predictions and i encounter this all the time because when i meet someone at a party or event for my kids' school and i tell them what i do they say who is going to win because there's some degree to which there's an ancient human role to define the future. people want to know the future. you think there's some group of people that can tell me and people are happy to nil in that gap, but part of what i've learned is predictions are themselves sort of the problem. >> right. you shouldn't make definitive
predictions, but sometimes you're dealing when you're writing headlines that have to be short and usually i'm making arguments about the way the world should be but you have to get to the question people want to know which is what do you think will happen. trump was an unprecedented situation. we should not be too confident about what's going to happen in the future. i can't say for sure he's going to lose. his chances are very bad. there's a chance he could win in november, but his odds -- they're not good. >> dana, what did you learn? what's the one big thing you've learned. >> you can make some excellent tacos and candy newspaper waffles with your daily newspaper. you should not believe the newspaper is not valuable in the print edition. >> i'm looking forward to that video when it comes out. i'm sure it will be a delight for everybody involved. you've got some situation going
here. >> that is all in for this evening. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. okay. here's the story. here's i think the story. deep breath. it was the day before election day 1992 so it was november 2nd, 1992 and it was the last rally before election day that year for h. ross par row who was running for president that year against george h.w. bush.